free will challenge

~~1338 h4x0r~~ · 11-20-2009, 02:41 PM

Those who believe in free will

Can you give a biologically plausible explanation

I mean if the brain is deterministic then how are any of our actions not deterministic

masscows · 11-20-2009, 02:42 PM

free will doesn't exist

otherwise i would probably not be on this forum right now

Ando! · 11-20-2009, 02:43 PM

lol

but yeah the existence of free will seems very unlikely

***Meatplow*** · 11-20-2009, 02:47 PM

maybe i'm acting out of predetermination but still, as my year 12 history teacher Mr. Powell once told me as a dying cancer victim in the most cringeworthy, motivational way possible -

"If it is to be, it is up to me"

i'll leave the debate to people with too much spare time

Josh is Gay · 11-20-2009, 02:49 PM

dude was too pussy to even handle cancer why would you believe him about the nature of existence

JohnXDoe · 11-20-2009, 02:53 PM

its not about the brain its about the boner

Berner · 11-20-2009, 02:55 PM

There probably is no such thing as free will but the actual physical process that is deterministic in nature is so complex that it's almost like free will.

~~1338 h4x0r~~ · 11-20-2009, 02:58 PM

that's like saying the weather has free will

Josh is Gay · 11-20-2009, 03:02 PM

well god makes the weather and im pretty sure he has free will

Mr. Ron · 11-20-2009, 03:06 PM

Yeah I don't really think true free will as people like to think it is really exists. This sort of raises a bunch of ethical questions.

JohnXDoe · 11-20-2009, 03:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fafafa

well god makes the weather and im pretty sure he has free will

nah. he imposes to many rules on himself and others. thats not free will. he isn't even close

should have banged Eve himself. now THAT is freewill

stupid god

Josh is Gay · 11-20-2009, 03:08 PM

like what

morality doesnt exist whether free will does or not

so what other ethical questions can there be

~~1338 h4x0r~~ · 11-20-2009, 03:10 PM

so far all the arguments in favor of free will I've heard are

"I make decisions

thus, free will"

masscows · 11-20-2009, 03:14 PM

i just "made a decision" to type this response but it was a totally bounded decision and didn't require any willful action on my part

it's like eating and jacking off

JohnXDoe · 11-20-2009, 03:18 PM

insane people have free will. they have no idea wtf they are doing, and do it anyway

best i can do

~~1338 h4x0r~~ · 11-20-2009, 03:20 PM

it's strange that I'm reading about schizophrenia now

no they don't have free will either

their particular form of lacking free will is maladaptive though

JohnXDoe · 11-20-2009, 03:21 PM

damn

back to the lab

Berner · 11-20-2009, 03:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1338 h4x0r

that's like saying the weather has free will

But the weather is more predictable than complex behavior.

Surgicalgod · 11-20-2009, 03:27 PM

read this, it's interesting:

http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/news/2008/04/mind_decision

~~1338 h4x0r~~ · 11-20-2009, 03:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Berner

But the weather is more predictable than complex behavior.

well maybe

to a degree

but the weather doesn't have something like 1.0 × 10^13 to 1.0 × 10^15 synapses

11-20-2009, 02:41 PM	#1
~~1338 h4x0r~~ Banned Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: THE FAIRY TALE FOR GROWNUPS LOL Posts: 13,059	free will challenge Those who believe in free will Can you give a biologically plausible explanation I mean if the brain is deterministic then how are any of our actions not deterministic

11-20-2009, 02:42 PM	#2
masscows shut up Join Date: May 2007 Location: chair Posts: 8,149	free will doesn't exist otherwise i would probably not be on this forum right now
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11-20-2009, 02:47 PM	#4
*Meatplow* There Is A God Moderator Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: He Loves Us All So Much Posts: 25,694	maybe i'm acting out of predetermination but still, as my year 12 history teacher Mr. Powell once told me as a dying cancer victim in the most cringeworthy, motivational way possible - "If it is to be, it is up to me" i'll leave the debate to people with too much spare time
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11-20-2009, 02:53 PM	#6
JohnXDoe JohnXDoe Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Crappiest Forums On Earth Posts: 18,138	its not about the brain its about the boner
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11-20-2009, 03:14 PM	#14
masscows shut up Join Date: May 2007 Location: chair Posts: 8,149	i just "made a decision" to type this response but it was a totally bounded decision and didn't require any willful action on my part it's like eating and jacking off
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11-20-2009, 02:43 PM	#3
Ando! Stuntin is a habit Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Pittsburgh Posts: 5,229	lol but yeah the existence of free will seems very unlikely

11-20-2009, 02:49 PM	#5
Josh is Gay Registered User Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 3,666	dude was too pussy to even handle cancer why would you believe him about the nature of existence

11-20-2009, 02:55 PM	#7
Berner Aw, that soothes the fire Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Regina Saskatchewan. Posts: 10,920	There probably is no such thing as free will but the actual physical process that is deterministic in nature is so complex that it's almost like free will.

11-20-2009, 02:58 PM	#8
~~1338 h4x0r~~ Banned Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: THE FAIRY TALE FOR GROWNUPS LOL Posts: 13,059	that's like saying the weather has free will

11-20-2009, 03:02 PM	#9
Josh is Gay Registered User Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 3,666	well god makes the weather and im pretty sure he has free will

11-20-2009, 03:06 PM	#10
Mr. Ron Manners, MX, manners! Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Mr. Ron & Sons Inc.™ Posts: 51,772	Yeah I don't really think true free will as people like to think it is really exists. This sort of raises a bunch of ethical questions.

11-20-2009, 03:08 PM	#12
Josh is Gay Registered User Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 3,666	like what morality doesnt exist whether free will does or not so what other ethical questions can there be

11-20-2009, 03:10 PM	#13
~~1338 h4x0r~~ Banned Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: THE FAIRY TALE FOR GROWNUPS LOL Posts: 13,059	so far all the arguments in favor of free will I've heard are "I make decisions thus, free will"

11-20-2009, 03:18 PM	#15
JohnXDoe JohnXDoe Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Crappiest Forums On Earth Posts: 18,138	insane people have free will. they have no idea wtf they are doing, and do it anyway best i can do
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11-20-2009, 03:20 PM	#16
~~1338 h4x0r~~ Banned Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: THE FAIRY TALE FOR GROWNUPS LOL Posts: 13,059	it's strange that I'm reading about schizophrenia now no they don't have free will either their particular form of lacking free will is maladaptive though

11-20-2009, 03:21 PM	#17
JohnXDoe JohnXDoe Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Crappiest Forums On Earth Posts: 18,138	damn back to the lab
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11-20-2009, 03:27 PM	#19
Surgicalgod Vocalist Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Mo5ayyam 3in El 7elwi Posts: 3,471	read this, it's interesting: http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/news/2008/04/mind_decision

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